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I have a 2010 gulfstream Enduramax 5th wheel. It is 80 degrees outside and about 70 to 75 degrees inside with the air conditioner on. I have a Dometic air conditioner and it just doesn’t keep it cool inside even on high.
What can I do to get more cool air out of it? What would be a better air conditioner to change it out with that will keep it cool inside?
Any help or advice would be very appreciated.
9:14 pm March 23, 2011
ROBERTSUNRUS
Mod Authority
Lakewood, Ca.
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Hi, I would put a thermometer in the A/C register and it should read about 45 degrees or so. If not, you might need a repair or new unit.
5:15 pm April 1, 2011
mclaymd
Mod Enthusiast
posts 8
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It puts out cool air but just not enough. Can I put a stronger blower fan on it to move the air with more force? It is a big 5th wheel, the bathroom and bedroom get cool but the living room (the biggest room) stays very warm. It has a pretty high ceiling in it so you don't really feel the cool air blowing out of the vents unless you’re right up close to them.
10:40 pm April 1, 2011
ROBERTSUNRUS
Mod Authority
Lakewood, Ca.
posts 67
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Hi, a bigger fan would most likely make the air conditioner warmer. As the condenser cools, if it gets too cold, the compressor will cycle. The faster the fan runs, or the more air moved by the fan, the warmer the air from the condenser gets and on high speeds sometimes the compressor won't need to cycle because the condenser won't freeze. Testing air conditioners at slow fan speeds will let it get as cold as it will get. Possibly you need a larger or a second air conditioner in your trailer.
5:28 pm April 2, 2011
mclaymd
Mod Enthusiast
posts 8
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Thanks again for your response.
I think I understand what you’re saying.
Should my air conditioner freeze up when I’m running the fan on high or low?
It was 90+ outside today and my wife said is was around 100 degrees inside. She had the air conditioner running on high until it froze up. I don’t know what to do at that point but to shut it off and let it thaw out for a few hours.
6:35 pm April 3, 2011
bbooth
Mod Newbie
British Columbia Canada
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Hi
I was reading the question and if I am correct you are having problems cooling down with you present A/C? There are some questions that should be considered, before adding or attempting any mods.
1. Is there sufficient refrigerant for the unit (may have to have a technician check this) but the unit or manual may indicate how to do this. The manual will say 2.5 oz of refrigerant R314 (or something similiar.
2. If there is a dryer installed in the unit, look for a metal cylinder, with a small window, which will show if there is liquid refrigerant flowing the system properly (not all A/C units have this) and if there is none, you may be low on refrigerant. If there is a little button in the dryer window and it is discoloured, it may mean you have a leak and moisture has been drawn into the unit. This will mean a trip to an A/C technician for purge, test and refill.
Next
If the unit was installed as an aftermarket project, you should check the unit's capacity to see if it has sufficient capacity to cool the space in your RV in specfic range of ambient temperatures. This may be the reason the temperature does not drop the temperature to a satisfactory level.
If you are in a moist laden area, the unit may not have the ability to dehumdify the interior to a comfortable range. This will make the felt condition seem “hotter”, even though the unit is working correctly.
Another check is if the thermostat temperature reading is accurate, if the unit is set for 80F and the unit reaches “80F” and shuts down, check the air temperature (and humdity) with a seperature temperature and humidty meter or guage, to see if the measurements are accurate.
If you have a long RV, air circulation may be affected, if there is insufficient air distribution.
There are some things to consider, hope that helps.
Brian
3:16 pm April 22, 2011
mclaymd
Mod Enthusiast
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Thank you for your response and sorry it has taken me so long to answer back, I have been out of town.
I have had camping world look at the AC unit a few months ago in Florida and they said that everything checks out fine. I don’t think it has a dryer on it.
The AC unit is the original factory unit that comes on the 5th wheel and our RV is a 2010 model.
We are in southern Colorado and it is very dry here so I’m sure that moisture isn’t the problem.
The thermostat seams to be accurate as well.
Today it is 80 degrees outside and I have the thermostat set at 75 degrees. The AC has been running on high none stop all afternoon. It blows cold air but never gets it down to 75 degrees inside so the AC never stops running. After running for hours like this, the AC unit will eventually freeze up and stop blowing cold air at all. It takes a lot longer to freeze up if I open the main vent right on the AC unit so the air blows directly out of the bottom of the unit. If I let the air flow through the air ducks that distributes the air in the bed room, bathroom and living room the AC unit will freeze up a lot faster. This is what makes me think that if I had a stronger blower fan motor, I could move more air and keep the AC from freezing up. I don’t know if this is even a possibility or if my thinking is all wrong.
Any help is appreciated, Marty
10:26 am April 25, 2011
JoeS
Mod Enthusiast
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I know this seems simple but Have you checked the filters? Maybe the fresh air coming is clogged and your not getting enough air out.
5:24 pm May 1, 2011
mclaymd
Mod Enthusiast
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It dose sound simple but i'll be checking it.
Do I have to take the plastic cover off of the outside to get to it?
I'm sure that camping world checked it but i'll double check it.
Thanks
11:42 pm May 1, 2011
ROBERTSUNRUS
Mod Authority
Lakewood, Ca.
posts 67
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Hi, Marty. At the top of this page, click on “VIDEOS” and watch the one on air conditioner maintenance. The part you want to watch and do is at the very end. Interior air conditioner filter cleaning.
10:02 pm June 4, 2011
OldSchoolGeek
Mod Newbie
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You can try approaching it from the other side: Why is it getting so hot in your trailer that your (fairly large) AC has to run non-stop in comparatively mild weather? Maybe there's a leak and your AC is sucking in exterior air (or even the output of the condenser), or maybe (more likely) you have very little insulation. I'm currently working on trying to run AC on solar power in my Rialta, and as part of the project I'm improving the insulation of the RV. If the insulation is good, the AC doesn't have to run as much, so I won't need as much power generation and battery storage.
So I'm going to tear out the carpet, put in some sheathing insulation and new carpet over that (floors are rarely well insulated, and mine essentially has carpet over steel plate), and use the “Mylar Bubble Wrap” insulation designed for attic rafters to make new window covers and interior partitions (inside of fabric). If you reduce the rate at which heat enters the interior and limit the amount of the interior you're trying to cool, then the AC may not have to run so long it freezes up.
–Dave
11:02 pm March 5, 2012
debrey
Mod Newbie
yorba linda ca
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I am new to RV's but have been an HVAC&R tech for nearly 20 years.
Temperature = pressure and pressure = temperature.
If the unit is freezing it is most likely one of three things.
1 The beginning of a low charge. The amount of refrigerant has decreased but the capacity of the compressor is constant. This results in the suction press being too low which equals the suction temperature being to low, going far enough below 32 degrees to cause the condensation on the evaporator coil to freeze. The temperature difference in temp between the air in and air out should be 18-24 degrees.
2 Poor air flow. The refrigerant in the evaporator is removing the heat from the air which results in condensation. If the air is moving too slow due to poor fan performance or a restriction in air flow causing the air to be overcooled thus over condensing the water and freezing to the coils. Check the air flow through the vent. If it's good this is not your problem.
3 Running an ac when the outdoor ambient is too low can result in overcondensing or overcooling the refrigerant causing it to enter the evaporator at such a temp that the evaporator coil will freeze because sufficient air flow is not available even with all components working.